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16/01/2012 13:01  
Ahojky,
mám dotaz na aktivační schopnost, jako příklad uvedu Spikeshot Eldera, což je 1/1 bytost, která má schopnost za 3many dát dmg v hodnotě svého power (pro tuto schopnost se netapuje, takže ji lze použít i několikrát). Takže aktivuji jeho schopnost, zaplatím 3many, passnu, v reakci soupeř zahraje ničení bytosti a tvrdí, že se ta dmg za aktivační schopnost už do něj nedostane, protože on reagoval jako druhý a má tedy svou kartu na vrchu stacku, já si myslím, že sice zabije mého spikeshot eldera, ale tu 1dmg, za kterou jsem zaplatil také obdrží, i když už je elder v té době už mrtvý, protože zda je živý či mrtvý už v té době není rozhodující, nebo se pletu?
Další dotaz je tento: útočím bytostí, která má schopnost, že může být bráněna pouze dvěma a více bytostmi (Stormblood Berserker 3/3), soupeř deklaruje jednoho obránce 3/3, co se stane když si toho všimnou hráči až při vyhodnocování combat dmg? Lze se odvolávat na to, že  měl deklarovat 2 obránce, čili, že jeho deklarace obránců byla neplatná a dmg od Berserkera do soupeře tedy projde, nebo se to celé vrací k deklaraci obránců?
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16/01/2012 21:09  
Ahoj Piksi!

1. Spikeshot Elder

Ano, myslíš si to správně. Aktivovaná schopnost na stacku je nezávislá na svém zdroji a vyhodnotí se, i když zdroj zmizí. Schopnost si pamatuje poslední zmánou informaci o objektu, z kterého pochází. Takže si Elderova schopnost bude pamatovat jeho sílu (pokud byla třeba změněna nějakým efektem).
608.2g If an effect requires information from the game (such as the number of creatures on the battlefield), the answer is determined only once, when the effect is applied. If the effect requires information from a specific object, including the source of the ability itself or a target that’s become illegal, the effect uses the current information of that object if it’s in the public zone it was expected to be in; if it’s no longer in that zone, or if the effect has moved it from a public zone to a hidden zone, the effect uses the object’s last known information. See rule 112.7a. If an ability states that an object does something, it’s the object as it exists—or as it most recently existed—that does it, not the ability.


2. Game Play Error — Game Rule Violation

Nejsem sice rozhodčí... Ale pokud je to možné, tak by se hra měla vrátit do Declare Blockers Stepu. Navíc dle typu turnaje můžete dostat Warning.
Game Play Error — Game Rule Violation
Definition
This infraction covers the majority of game situations in which a player makes an error or fails to follow a game procedure correctly. It handles violations of the Comprehensive Rules that are not covered by the other Game Play Errors.

Examples
A. A player plays Wrath of God for 3W (actual cost 2WW).
B. A player does not attack with a creature that must attack each turn.
C. A player fails to put a creature with lethal damage into a graveyard and it is not noticed until several turns later.
D. A Voice of All is on the battlefield that should have had a color named for it.
E. A player plays Brainstorm and forgets to put two cards back on top of his library.

Philosophy
While Game Rule Violations can be attributed to one player, they usually occur publicly and both players are expected to be mindful of what is happening in the game. It is tempting to try and "fix" these errors, but it is important that they be handled consistently, regardless of their impact on the game.

Additional Remedy
If the error was discovered within a time frame in which a player could reasonably be expected to notice the error and the situation is simple enough to safely back up without too much disruption to the course of the game, the judge may get permission from the Head Judge to back up the game to the point of the error. Each action taken is undone until the game reaches the point immediately prior to the error. Cards incorrectly placed in hand are returned to the location in the zone from which they were moved (if the identity of the incorrectly drawn card is not known to all players, a random card is returned instead). Once the game is backed up, it continues from that point.
If not caught within a reasonable time frame, or backing up is impossible or sufficiently complex that it could affect the course of the game, the judge should leave the game state as it is after applying state-based actions and not attempt any form of partial ‘fix’ – either reverse all actions or none, with the following exceptions:
• If a player made an illegal choice or failed to make a required choice for a permanent on the battlefield, that player does so.
• If a player forgot to discard or return cards from their hand to another zone, that player does so.
In a situation where the effect that caused the infraction is controlled by one player, but the illegal action is taken by another player, both receive a Game Play Error – Game Rule Violation. For example, if a player plays Path to Exile on an opponent’s creature and the opponent puts the creature into the graveyard, both players receive a Game Play Error — Game Rule Violation infraction.

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Warning
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08/03/2012 20:29  
Ahojky,
a ještě jednou k tomu Stormblood Berserkerovi, řekněme, že s ním útočím, musí být blokován minimálně dvěma obránci, takže soupeř v deklaraci obránců deklaruje dva obránce, já následně jednoho z nich sestřelím bleskem, co se stane, protože vlastně zůstal pouze jeden obránce na bytost, která může být bráněna pouze dvěma a více bytostmi?
Díky a hezký večer
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08/03/2012 20:37  
Zdar, normálně si obě creatury vymění dmg, jelikož berserkerova schopnost platí pouze při vyhlášení blockerů, poté už na combat nemá žádný dopad.
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18/11/2013 22:40  
Ahoj a dobrej večer.

Chtěl bych se zeptat, jestli dobře rozumím aktivační schopnosti u Moonveil Dragon (Flying; Za červenou: Each creature you control gets 1+0 until end of turn), takže pokud zaplatím pět červenejch, tak to mým bytostem přidá 5+0, anebo ne?
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19/11/2013 10:40  
Zdar!

Rozumíš tomu naprosto přesně. Za pouhou jednu manu dostanou všechny tvé bytosti (včetně draka) do konce kola +1 k síle. A můžeš to použít kolikrát chceš (dokud máš červenou manu).
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